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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jun 25, 2011 5:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Blossom Music 6-25-85

Show four on the tour. I would be needing some form of espresso, espresso w/drops, ect. for that ride from Cincy to Akron, all 237 miles. After that show, it would have been a night to find a party. But then, CPD were a nasty bunch and the saw us as a quota making opportunity. Unlike all other shows on this tour I have not listened to this in unmemorable amount of time, so I was coming in like a virgin. Where the sound worked to the advantage of the band in Cincy (humidity?, rain?), the ball bounces the other way on this night. The mistakes and fudges are clearer, but so is some great playing.

Set 1
Day Tripper->
West L.A. Fadeaway->
CC Rider
Dire Wolf
Beat It On Down The Line->
Row Jimmy
Me & My Uncle->
Big River
Big Railroad Blues
Jack Straw->
Might As Well

Bobby, 5 out of 6 cover tunes? The first two unlistenable.
Average fist set. Moments here and there, in DW, BR, JS, MAW. The band seems a bit tired. Just out of curiosity does anyone like CC? Which one?

Set II
Hey, the Grateful Dead showed up!
Gimme Some Lovin'->
China Cat Sunflower->
I Know You Rider->
Playin' In The Band->
Drums->
The Wheel->
Playin' In The Band->
China Doll->
Sugar Magnolia
E: Touch Of Gray

Forget GSL, this set begins with C/R. And what a great China it is! Love the transition to Rider. This is ensemble jamming for the first time this tour. I also love when Jerry kicks Rider up a another notch at 4:30. Excellent C/R .
Bobby starts up Playin'. You can tell that he is out of gas when he begins to sing. But, we get Phil in a trade. It's a long version (16:51). In general, way too much noodling for my taste. 7' to 10' is interesting. 14:10 to the end is very interesting. Some of Brent. Some of Jerry. Something pretty average outside of its length.
Drums is good. The insects are back! Space is aggressive w/ Jerry sounding at times like he wanted to drown Healy out. The insects do get to be a bit much.
The Wheel begins @ 5:40 into Space. Solid Wheel. Nice jam by Garcia @ the end.
I love, love PITB reprise. When they kick into the vocals, turn it up to 12! Here, what is Bobby doing, beginning @ 2'? Oh, well. I do like his slashing chords at the end of the reprise though.
Brent on the 'harpsichord' makes China Doll. So does all the work he does around the edges. Jerry's guitar on this song is one of the reasons why I'm writing about this in 2011. Vocals a bit rough all around, Bobby doing everything he can and hitting wrong notes every time, is all overcome by Garcia.
For the first time in this tour this was where Garcia asserts himself. This song is the proof. Give props to Bobby who gives it his all and even Phil shows up. Very good version.
Touch is marred by Weir vocals. He should've just let Jerry sing b/c he's doing just fine on his own. It's a spirited version though.

Nowhere even close to last night, but not much is in '85. An above average show, barely.
Strap in boys and girls. You know what's coming next.

An old source (CM), but still the best.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd85-06-25.sbd.miller.18663.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: Death&Mercy Date: Jun 26, 2011 7:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Blossom Music 6-25-85

Appreciate these summer 85 posts. Good work.

This show is much better than the night before, imo.

6/24 is a bit on the flat side. Nothing stands out in the 1st set for me, except maybe for a pretty good '85 Loser. 2nd set starts off on a bad note with a lackluster Iko, and relatively useless versions of S&D, He's Gone, and Smokestack (I guess it's all relative, right?). Crypt was fun to hear at the time, but scraggly to say the least. I do, however, like the Comes A Time and Wharf Rat. I think Jerry's 85 voice fits those two tunes well. I like most of the 1985 CATs. Bob's stuff after space is useless, as is the US Blues.

6/25 is in a different stratosphere. The 1st set tunes are lively for the most part, with about as good a Big River as this band ever played. GSL is fun .. the China Cat > Rider starts a bit sluggish, but gets rolling with the transition, and the Rider is strong. I'm not a fan of the 80's Playins, but this one is about as good as they got if you count the Reprise out of a good Wheel, which works very well. There probably are no better 80's China Dolls, and the Sugar Mag is strong as well. I like the 85 Touch of Greys, and this one is quited spirited, probably as good as the tune got, despite a flub here and there.

6-25-85 is one of the best post 1981 shows, imo.



This post was modified by Death&Mercy on 2011-06-26 14:41:51

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Poster: vapors Date: Jun 26, 2011 7:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Blossom Music 6-25-85

I guess I should weigh in on this, seeing as I really dig this show. As I have said previously, I really enjoyed this entire tour, and even today as an ever more sophisticated dead head, still think it was very extraordinary. Not because I was there, and I am glad I was, but because I believe the music was exceptionally well presented at the time. And when I listen to this fine soundboard I know I am not crazy.

I slip up when posting, have many an oops or ouch moment, which upon reread hastens an edit or deletion (if I can get away with it.) None the less I find myself believing that the Grateful Dead were a band that kept playing on tour for an undeniable fan base, and regardless of the who or why, they did what they did. To repeat myself – if you don’t like it don’t listen to it.

I love this forum and should state for the record to anyone who might feel affronted by the dissenters of the later day that herein abound : fear not – they are only doing their self prescribed due diligence, and they most likely have some enlightening things to say regarding shows that they do approve of.

Early in my residence here on the forum LiA made a point regarding memories of attendees vs. the archived recordings, and at some date I intend to properly address this through my own perspective in a hopefully clear manner. But not tonight…

I have listened to this show in its entirety, and also bits and pieces, many times in the past few days. My purpose, other than for pure enjoyment and nostalgia, was to be able to contribute something worthy to its discussion. I am not inclined towards the tune by tune breakdown review myself, nor the ‘this song was better back then’… I disagree a lot with what has been said here already, but imagine there are countless folk out there who followed the boys that know what sense there is to be made of it all. For instance, when Phil lit up this show with strong beginnings to each set – DO NOT pass up the Day Tripper or the Gimme Some Lovin’ – that is something that makes this so fun and great. The vocal blunders aren’t all that bad, and so what anyway. The momentum, the music, the glory of twenty years on the road. Okay, being there, yes I admit it, being there made it great. Come on now, what does anyone really want ? A 1972, 1968 band? Sorry, but these guys were playing for us with a full heart no matter what demons chased any of us.

Peace and love from Dan aka vapors

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jun 27, 2011 5:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Blossom Music 6-25-85

It would interesting to see a post on that from you someday. I agree that a show's vibe is actually something that is part of the equation; sometimes a big part. I like the AUD and Matrix of this show for that reason. It's very big on the Happy Vibes, and since that's part of what the band DID, well, I do think that matters. "Transportation business" isn't only about the most astounding transcendent X-factor moments, though of course those are going to be everyone's faves.

Btw, I relistened to some of the tunes that I'd accidentally cut out earlier (cuz of selecting/deselecting earlier for whatever reason). Day Tripper is fun if you can catch the vibe of the show and get into it. (It's always ideal to hear a whole show IMO, but then again, I'm a bit of a historical purist -- or obsessive, LOL). But if (a) you don't have the time, or (b) are playing this around folks who aren't already into the Dead (or some who are), I still say this could cause some grimaces ... even while it makes other folks smile.

Nothing wrong with judging tune by tune or moment by moment. That's part of the fun and the Grand Tradition, is't it? The band members were famously critical of their own performances, and there's no reason we can't get in on that game, either :-)

Anyway, you should write that post! Even though you're a repentant gate crasher :-)

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Poster: vapors Date: Jun 27, 2011 12:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Blossom Music 6-25-85

I didn't mean to imply I had any issues with song by song critiquing - only that I don't think I am very good at it myself. It is part of the fun, I agree. If we are discussing a show that I attended I am just more apt to write about my personal experience, which may include other factors besides the music. :)

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Poster: vapors Date: Jun 26, 2011 7:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Blossom - moral deliberations

Getting to a show without a ticket was nothing new for me, but this was the first time I ever tried to sneak into a show. I followed a small flow of people climbing a sturdy chain link fence. It looked plausible enough for me to try it, but once on the other side I knew this was not my way. I was one of the minority that got snagged by security. The vibe was nothing like later gate crashing, and this was the only time I ever tried going in not using the turnstiles. In fact the vibe at this show was so mighty fine, they processed me without incident and released me before show time. Grabbed my stashed back-pack and walked up to the gates where a five dollar ticket came at me and it was swell, very swell.

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Poster: splue Date: Jun 26, 2011 8:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Blossom Music 6-25-85

i rly liked what u typed there vapors aka Dan!!!

...splue aka splue

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Poster: vapors Date: Jun 26, 2011 8:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Blossom Music 6-25-85

thanks aka go fry an egg
:)

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Poster: splue Date: Jun 26, 2011 8:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Blossom Music 6-25-85

;D LoL!

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Poster: Jack o' Roses Date: Jun 26, 2011 7:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Blossom Music 6-25-85

Thanks Micah! Enjoying your '85 summer tour review. Keep it up! My first tour to get tapes of the entire tour in a timely fashion.

Listening to Chinacat right now: Love the transition & Bob's rhythm work....

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jun 25, 2011 7:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Blossom Music 6-25-85

Akron indeed. Blossom is Cleveland. Ok ok, if you look at the map and were coming from Cincy maybe you THINK it's Akron :-)

This one's a real scorcher! Literally. Was playing this last night and got so distracted cooking I burned my hand. In my house we have a bit of a list of all the Bad Things the GD have done, including clogged our toilet and gave my kid a goose egg ... now it's burns. No furniture yet; that's SDH's territory.

The funny thing is that apparently I agree with you on the 1st set. After I read this, I checked my set list, and I had selected and deselected (at some uncertain point in the past) to drop off Day Tripper and a lot of the others in the 1st set, LOL! So I didn't actually re-listen to them.

Day Tripper is the kinda tune that was fun in the moment but really isn't a keeper in terms of listening later. I actually like this W LA, though; and that's not a song I'm super-keen on.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jun 26, 2011 7:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Blossom Music 6-25-85

I was too tired to check the distances (Akron/Cleveland)last night. I should of b/c I'm thinking in between my dreams, I checked that twice. Maybe she's right. How could I miss that?
HA! I'm right! I'm right! I'm four years old.
Cleveland to Cuyahoga Falls - 37.2 miles
Akron to Cuyahoga Falls - 5 miles
Got somethin' against Akron? Hmm.

West L.A suffered from it's awful neighbors. Broken down cars in the unmowed yard. Paint stripped away in fright of the attempts at music, ect.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jun 26, 2011 8:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Blossom Music 6-25-85

Oh bah. There's conceptual distance and there's Mapquest distance. Your methodology is flawed. People from Cleveland go to Blossom for music. Nobody ever goes to Akron. Hence, I win!

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Jun 27, 2011 9:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Blossom Music 6-25-85

There are only two kinds of people who live in Akron: People in the Witness Protection Program and people who can't sell their houses.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jun 26, 2011 8:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Blossom Music 6-25-85

But, 'Akron is also host to the All-American Soapbox Derby, the National Hamburger Festival, Founders Day(Alcoholics Anonymous),... and will be the venue for some events of the 2014 Gay Games.' - wiki
Don't you like soapbox derbies? Hamburgers? Sober folks? Gay folks? First you are against the Cartoon Network, now all this.
AR, you may have altitude sickness. Did you 'Sherpa' up K-2 again this week?

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jun 26, 2011 9:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Blossom Music 6-25-85

Wrong mountain range. K2 is in Pakistan. No Sherpas in Pakistan :-)

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jun 26, 2011 9:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Blossom Music 6-25-85

Ah, the dagger buried deep.
You still have a problem w/Akron.
And the Cartoon Network.
So, I wouldn't gloat o'er my corpse for too long, missy. (We reanimate immediately here, right?)

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Jun 25, 2011 8:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Blossom Music 6-25-85

I can appreciate 85 shows, this one is good, the first set is plagued with vocal flubs, however they have a good sound going for tunes like West LA Row Jimmy and Big River...second set doesn't have the gremlins and they plow through a very well executed Chiba Rider, I really like this Playin and the China Doll is a keeper...overall, I rank this show on par with 6-15 and 07-01, not as good as 6-30 or 6-16, or 6-24 for that matter

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Jun 27, 2011 6:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Blossom Music 6-25-85

Here you go, Micah.

06-25-85 - Blossom Music Center, Cuyahoga Falls, Oh.
1: Day Tripper, West L.A. Fadeaway, CC Rider, Dire Wolf, Beat It on Down the Line, Row Jimmy, Me & My Uncle-> Big River, Big Railroad Blues, Jack Straw, Might as Well

2: Gimme Some Lovin'-> China Cat Sunflower-> I Know You Rider-> Playin' in the Band-> Drums-> The Wheel-> Playin' in the Band-> China Doll-> Sugar Magnolia, E: Touch of Gray

Source: http://www.archive.org/details/gd85-06-25.sbd.miller.18663.sbeok.shnf

This fun first set opens with Day Tripper, the only time they ever did that. One of five versions ever, they had encored with it and closed with it, so now they decide to open with it, and it’s a kick-ass way to start a Grateful Dead show on a summer afternoon. The set is also stacked with five nice Jerry selections: West LA, Dire Wolf, Row Jimmy, Big RR Blues and Might as Well, so you know this is going to be a good ride. But the second set is where the action is. It’s solid all the way through, with precision jamming, a GREAT China Cat, and an energetic PITB to cap off a highlight reel pre-drums. This is one of those ’85 shows – kinky set list, well-played and energetic throughout, maybe a few flubs, but all-in-all pretty magical.

Day Tripper, West LA is just an awesome and downright dirty way to start a show. Both of these have punch, with good vocals, and the quality of this recording is evident immediately. I take Bobby’s slide-work on this CC Rider as I always do, with a cringe and a smile, and a sense of relief when Jerry takes over the lead again and finishes with style. They fire off Dire Wolf and BIODTL without missing a beat, then settle into Row Jimmy, which features Jerry bending his guitar chords and straining his vocal chords. The cowboy combo is vintage ’85, with confident, creative solos from Jerry and a beautiful job by the rest of the band to keep it all together and tight. It seems evident at this point that Garcia is “feeling it.” Pity that there’s no Bird Song or Let it Grow to really put this set over the top. Big RR, while a nice choice, is a little off, and Jack Straw never quite takes off. Jerry mumbles his way through Might as Well to end it. A weak back end, but a fun set overall.

Like the first, the second set open up with a classic and a GD original: This time it’s Gimme Some Lovin (go Phil!) into a really hot China Cat. This version is all amped up, with excellent transitional jamming from Jerry that sounds a little bit old-school. Know u Rider is adequate and PITB is a big amorphous blob of fun. Space offers a bizarre collection of electronic blips and pseudo-animal sounds before transforming pleasantly into the Wheel and then a rough trans into Playin reprise. Jerry’s playing is interesting during most of this stretch, if not flawless. Then China Doll drops out of nowhere like a dark dream, slowing the pace and reigning in the madness briefly before it’s all unleashed again in a rockin Sugar Mag to close. A short post-space, but densely-packed!

Highlights: Daytripper, West LA, MAMU, China Cat

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jun 27, 2011 11:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Blossom Music 6-25-85

Thanks s&r. There is objectivity in this music we listen to, but there is so much subjectivity. I like all the diversity of opinion. That China Cat Rocked!

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Jun 27, 2011 6:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Anchor Drops..........

Sean -

I have been afraid to venture into the 80s as it is my lost decade for the Dead. I was left to poking and prodding on my own and was largely unsuccessful.

I have been listening to your June run revisit over the past coupla days and I like what I've heard. June 85 may give me an anchorage and safe haven for further exploration.

I'll still likely always prefer the front end of '68-'72, but this latest dip in the pool is more than a little refreshing.

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